I would say "Yay" if the ACLU also provided a list of solutions to sex ed. It's one thing to say there's a problem, another to say that there's a problem and here are some alternatives to it.
I think you know how I feel about sex-ed programs in school. I don't even know if I would allow my child to participate in a program, but definitely not if it was not an abstinence only program. It's not the educational systems job to teach my child about sex..to have or not to have. I realize their are a lot of crappy parents out there and their children may not get it anywhere else, but clearly we need to create a program that decides who can have children or not...not what we teach them about sex in school.
Children go to school to learn about math and science, not how to use a condom and where to get them. Not even the pros and cons of having sex before marriage. How is that the school's job or business? We're not allowed to have God in school, I don't see why we should be allowed to have people's opinions about sex before marriage there either...that seems like a moral issue.
I'm generally a proponent of sexual education classes in schools, simply because the average citizen seems far to likely to not know all the facts.
For example, suppose a father takes his son aside one day and says, "Boy, I don't want you to have sex until you are married, however, there's a chance you'll rebel against me, so at least do this. Wear a condom. That way you'll at least be less likely to have a baby before you can."
So the son says, "Cool." And from there on out assumes that he is 100% safe with a condom.
Welcome to a science free sexual education. As any good reproductive biologist can tell you, condoms are only 85% effective at preventing childbirth, though they are fairly good at preventing excessive spread of social diseases.
Thus, I think a certified teacher of sexual education is beneficial in schools. They are useful, not for pushing agendas, but providing correct information and dispelling rumors and falsehoods.
However, I figure that's probably all such a program should do. Explain the various risks, talk about diseases, explain EXACTLY what happens during conception and childbirth, then leave morals to the parents.
In my opinion, Kay, my suggested program would do less to push morals and agendas than an abstinence only program. An abstinence only program would, essentially, fail to educate a kid on the risks and results of condoms (and other things), because an abstinence only program would simply say "don't use them."
I have a hard time even wanting my (hopefully) future daughter to go into Girl Scouts, which have been known to have planned parenthood come in and tell them its ok to have an abortion and not tell their parents. I want to be the one teaching my kids about sex and not killing their babies, not the school. I remember in 8th grade having the crap scared out of me by our gym teacher (usually the one to teach sex ed, by the way, Fee, not a qualified sex ed instructor) showing us pictures of our insides/genitals if we get sexually transmitted diseases. That'll definatly put you off your lunch.
ANOTHER thing about the abortion lovers is that they think its ok for underage girls to have an abortion without telling their parents. I mean, they have to have parental consent for any other type of surgery, why not this one? They are the ones who have to deal with their daughter's medical care afterwards, as well as her emotional health, but they have no say before? That doesnt make much sense to me. And what about the girls who are coerced into an abortion by their parents or boyfriend? There was a case not that long ago about a girl who was taken by her boyfriend's mother to get an abortion she didnt really want, but they told her she had to. When her parents go there to stop it, they wouldnt let them in! And then the boyfriend dumped her. So now she has a dead baby and no man. But at least she got to exercise HER right to choose.
Okay, see I wasn't trying to get into whether girls should have an abortion or their parents should be involved. My view is more like Felix's..teachers shouldn't push an agenda, just give the facts. And it's not really because I think parents fail, although I do. I mean, I plan on teaching any kids I have all about birth control and condoms and abortion. I want them to come to me, not be afraid if they want any of them..so I can help them, whether I think they're wrong or not. And yes, I think I knew your positions before..I was just happy and wanted to share it.
Damnit, Feelix, I warned you about not agreeing with me...:) Okay, I'm really not into politics and changing the world, la de da. But personally I don't like the idea of anyone else teaching my children about sex, condoms, STD's, etc. I have to admit, the thought of having those talks makes me squirm, but if I'm not willing to do it I shouldn't have children. And I agree with Sara that it's usually the creepy gym teacher who gives those talks, not a professional. I do like Fee's ideas about a class that is strictly education about disease, etc. But absolutely NO passing out condoms...I just won't budge on that one. I'd be pissed if a teacher spanked my child (even if they deserved it) and I don't want them handing my kid condoms
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I would say "Yay" if the ACLU also provided a list of solutions to sex ed. It's one thing to say there's a problem, another to say that there's a problem and here are some alternatives to it.
I think you know how I feel about sex-ed programs in school. I don't even know if I would allow my child to participate in a program, but definitely not if it was not an abstinence only program. It's not the educational systems job to teach my child about sex..to have or not to have. I realize their are a lot of crappy parents out there and their children may not get it anywhere else, but clearly we need to create a program that decides who can have children or not...not what we teach them about sex in school.
Children go to school to learn about math and science, not how to use a condom and where to get them. Not even the pros and cons of having sex before marriage. How is that the school's job or business? We're not allowed to have God in school, I don't see why we should be allowed to have people's opinions about sex before marriage there either...that seems like a moral issue.
I'm generally a proponent of sexual education classes in schools, simply because the average citizen seems far to likely to not know all the facts.
For example, suppose a father takes his son aside one day and says, "Boy, I don't want you to have sex until you are married, however, there's a chance you'll rebel against me, so at least do this. Wear a condom. That way you'll at least be less likely to have a baby before you can."
So the son says, "Cool." And from there on out assumes that he is 100% safe with a condom.
Welcome to a science free sexual education. As any good reproductive biologist can tell you, condoms are only 85% effective at preventing childbirth, though they are fairly good at preventing excessive spread of social diseases.
Thus, I think a certified teacher of sexual education is beneficial in schools. They are useful, not for pushing agendas, but providing correct information and dispelling rumors and falsehoods.
However, I figure that's probably all such a program should do. Explain the various risks, talk about diseases, explain EXACTLY what happens during conception and childbirth, then leave morals to the parents.
In my opinion, Kay, my suggested program would do less to push morals and agendas than an abstinence only program. An abstinence only program would, essentially, fail to educate a kid on the risks and results of condoms (and other things), because an abstinence only program would simply say "don't use them."
I have a hard time even wanting my (hopefully) future daughter to go into Girl Scouts, which have been known to have planned parenthood come in and tell them its ok to have an abortion and not tell their parents. I want to be the one teaching my kids about sex and not killing their babies, not the school. I remember in 8th grade having the crap scared out of me by our gym teacher (usually the one to teach sex ed, by the way, Fee, not a qualified sex ed instructor) showing us pictures of our insides/genitals if we get sexually transmitted diseases. That'll definatly put you off your lunch.
ANOTHER thing about the abortion lovers is that they think its ok for underage girls to have an abortion without telling their parents. I mean, they have to have parental consent for any other type of surgery, why not this one? They are the ones who have to deal with their daughter's medical care afterwards, as well as her emotional health, but they have no say before? That doesnt make much sense to me. And what about the girls who are coerced into an abortion by their parents or boyfriend? There was a case not that long ago about a girl who was taken by her boyfriend's mother to get an abortion she didnt really want, but they told her she had to. When her parents go there to stop it, they wouldnt let them in! And then the boyfriend dumped her. So now she has a dead baby and no man. But at least she got to exercise HER right to choose.
Okay, see I wasn't trying to get into whether girls should have an abortion or their parents should be involved. My view is more like Felix's..teachers shouldn't push an agenda, just give the facts. And it's not really because I think parents fail, although I do. I mean, I plan on teaching any kids I have all about birth control and condoms and abortion. I want them to come to me, not be afraid if they want any of them..so I can help them, whether I think they're wrong or not. And yes, I think I knew your positions before..I was just happy and wanted to share it.
sorry. Sometimes I get on my soapbox. :-)
Damnit, Feelix, I warned you about not agreeing with me...:) Okay, I'm really not into politics and changing the world, la de da. But personally I don't like the idea of anyone else teaching my children about sex, condoms, STD's, etc. I have to admit, the thought of having those talks makes me squirm, but if I'm not willing to do it I shouldn't have children. And I agree with Sara that it's usually the creepy gym teacher who gives those talks, not a professional. I do like Fee's ideas about a class that is strictly education about disease, etc. But absolutely NO passing out condoms...I just won't budge on that one. I'd be pissed if a teacher spanked my child (even if they deserved it) and I don't want them handing my kid condoms
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